This is the conversation that started the Changing Scripts Podcast. Phil and I initially did this interview for the Changing Scripts YouTube channel but it felt like too long of an experience for a video. It felt like a podcast. So here we are. Phil's journey learning Mandarin Chinese is nothing less than impressive. But he is humble and shares not only his experiences but very practical tips and resources that he has found along the way.
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Music courtesy of Damon Castillo,"I Hope You Figured It Out" song on the "Mess of Me" album
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